Simon, while it is true that the churches teach that Christ died in the sense of Christ's human body having died, they also teach that Christ both had and has an immoral soul/spirit which never died. In that latter sense they believe and teach that Christ (whom they also teach is God and thus immortal) never died.
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It took a lot of lies, ignorance and corruption to create CHURCHIANITY!
by TruthMatters inhave you gone back to that- or lost you faith because of 'brothers'?.
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It took a lot of lies, ignorance and corruption to create CHURCHIANITY!
by TruthMatters inhave you gone back to that- or lost you faith because of 'brothers'?.
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Rocketman123, a moment ago while reading the WT's book called The Finished Mystery (1917 edition) I cam across the word "Churchianity" in the book's explanation of Ezekiel 28:20 - 22. There it seems to be equated with the idea that "men must belong to a church organization". Commentary relating to the term says "The Jews shall enjoy God's earthly blessings, and the true Christians His Heavenly blessings, when He has executed justly earned judgments upon the people that have adhered to or taught the belong-to-a-church-or-go-to-hell idea." The JW religion has now effectively become that which they condemned in 1917 as churchianity. See page 503 of The Finished Mystery book, which can be read at http://www.strictlygenteel.co.uk/finishedmystery/fme28.html .
The following are some online mainstream definitions of churchianity.
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/churchianity says "a usually excessive or narrowly sectarian attachment to the practices and interests of a particular church".
https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Churchianity says "(derogatory) Any practices of Christianity that place a larger emphasis on the habits of church life or the institutional traditions of the church than on theology and spiritual teachings of Jesus; the quality of being too church-focused."
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The Covid-19 Vaccines do NOT Alter Human Genes, despite the myths to the contrary
by Disillusioned JW in["covid-19 vaccines can’t alter your dna, here’s why"]
can covid-19 vaccines alter my dna?
no, covid-19 vaccines do not alter your dna.
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https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/different-vaccines.html has lots of links to information about the three Covid-19 vaccines available in the USA.
https://www.fda.gov/media/144638/download#page=2 says the following:
"WHAT ARE THE INGREDIENTS IN THE MODERNA COVID-19 VACCINE?
The Moderna COVID-19 Vaccine contains the following ingredients: messenger ribonucleic acid (mRNA), lipids (SM-102, polyethylene glycol [PEG] 2000 dimyristoyl glycerol [DMG], cholesterol, and 1,2-distearoyl-sn-glycero-3-phosphocholine [DSPC]), tromethamine, tromethamine hydrochloride, acetic acid, sodium acetate trihydrate, and sucrose."
Notice that the Moderna vaccine does not include ethanol and it appears (as far as I can tell) to not include any other alcohol. I received the Moderna vaccine - I chose that one specifically, because I had the impression it is likely the safest of the three vaccines, as well as being highly effective.
https://www.fda.gov/media/144414/download#page=2 says the following:
"WHAT ARE THE INGREDIENTS IN THE PFIZER-BIONTECH COVID-19 VACCINE? The Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 Vaccine includes the following ingredients: mRNA, lipids ((4-hydroxybutyl)azanediyl)bis(hexane-6,1-diyl)bis(2-hexyldecanoate), 2 [(polyethylene glycol)-2000]-N,N-ditetradecylacetamide, 1,2-Distearoyl-sn-glycero-3- phosphocholine, and cholesterol), potassium chloride, monobasic potassium phosphate, sodium chloride, dibasic sodium phosphate dihydrate, and sucrose."
https://www.fda.gov/media/146305/download#page=2 says the following:
"WHAT ARE THE INGREDIENTS IN THE JANSSEN COVID-19 VACCINE?
The Janssen COVID-19 Vaccine includes the following ingredients: recombinant, replication-incompetent adenovirus type 26 expressing the SARS-CoV-2 spike protein, citric acid monohydrate, trisodium citrate dihydrate, ethanol, 2-hydroxypropyl-β-cyclodextrin (HBCD), polysorbate-80, sodium chloride."
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Most of you KNOW it that we witnesses have the Truth from the Bible
by TruthMatters init just that the gb has a problem mixing biblical fact with goofy opinions.. but at least is isn't like the churces!.
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smiddy3 and BluesBrother: Actually the JWs still teach some ideas which were taught by Russell, Rutherford, and Knorr (though a number of those teachings are not necessarily biblical teachings). They include the following: the trinity doctrine is false; humans do not have an inherently immortal soul; the biblical hell is not a a place of eternal conscious torment, for the unresurrected dead have no conscious existence; the Earth will be made into a paradise under the reign of Christ; the Earth will always exist - it never will be burned up completely ('the earth abideth forever'); Jesus Christ is the Son of Jehovah God; the idea that humans have an immortal soul is a false doctrine of Satan which got started in the garden of Eden; the human body of Jesus did not raise from the grave; there will be a battle of Armageddon; God has a name and the name is Jehovah; some who are now humans will go to heaven and be with Christ and Jehovah; the number 144,000 mentioned in the book of Revelation is a literal number; the (Protestant) Bible is God's word; Jesus is called the Word of God in the Bible; Jesus is the first creation of God the Father; Bible prophecy indicated that the Times of the Gentiles (the Gentile Times) would end in October 1914 A.D./C.E.; the ancient faithful biblical patriarchs will become resurrected; Jesus Christ died as a human sacrifice and was resurrected as a spirit being and he did not take his human body with him into heaven after his resurrection.
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The Covid-19 Vaccines do NOT Alter Human Genes, despite the myths to the contrary
by Disillusioned JW in["covid-19 vaccines can’t alter your dna, here’s why"]
can covid-19 vaccines alter my dna?
no, covid-19 vaccines do not alter your dna.
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NotNew, I think most (if not all) of the chemicals you listed are in the vaccine for the purpose of being preservatives, not to kill the virus. Most, if not all of those chemicals, are in many processed foods for the purpose of being preservatives (so bacterial won't grow in them causing them to go bad) and some are also in processed foods for flavor. They (at least some of them) are not experimental chemicals and a number of them are naturally present in food. For examples consider the following. Sodium chloride is simply the chemical name for common table salt. Potassium chloride is a salt which is naturally present in sea water and is an ingredient in a number of processed foods. Acetic acid is a natural product of fermentation of some foods and it is an ingredient in a number of processed foods. Sucrose is the chemical name of a common sugar which naturally present in sweet tasting plants and it is the common table sugar.
When I received the vaccine I didn't feel even a little bit intoxicated from alcohol, thus the amount of alcohol (namely the kind present in wine, ethanol) in the vaccine dose is very likely harmless. Many, if not all, vaccines include one or more preservatives.The ingredient which makes the vaccine work is that which is listed as the active ingredient.
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The Covid-19 Vaccines do NOT Alter Human Genes, despite the myths to the contrary
by Disillusioned JW in["covid-19 vaccines can’t alter your dna, here’s why"]
can covid-19 vaccines alter my dna?
no, covid-19 vaccines do not alter your dna.
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Thanks folks for providing more details/documentation about the reasons for your concerns about the Covid-19 vaccines. About 20 minutes ago on the NBC televised news I saw the broadcast mention cases of teens and young adults who got inflamed hearts after receiving the vaccine. I received my vaccine dose about 1 hour and 45 minutes before I saw that news video. I'm now thinking the vaccine might be more risky than I thought. It seems that some of the things which are happening to some people who receive the vaccine are some of the same things which happened last year to some people who became hospitalized due to contracting a severe case of Covid-19.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/health/2021/05/24/covid-vaccine-heart-problems-teens-young-adults-what-we-know/5241271001/ has an article about the recent cases of teens and young adults who got inflamed hearts after receiving the vaccine.
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The Covid-19 Vaccines do NOT Alter Human Genes, despite the myths to the contrary
by Disillusioned JW in["covid-19 vaccines can’t alter your dna, here’s why"]
can covid-19 vaccines alter my dna?
no, covid-19 vaccines do not alter your dna.
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The flu vaccines don't guarantee that a person will never get a flu either, but ever since I have been getting the flu vaccines I haven't had the flu, whereas previously I had severe flu at least once in every two year period while I held a job away from my home. The Covid-19 vaccine greatly reduces my chances of contracting Covid-19 until the time of my future booster shot.
NotNew, what sources do you have saying that the Covid-19 vaccines available in the USA are dangerous? What sources do you have saying that they contain dangerous amounts of ethanol or any ethanol at all?
In my locality about 70% of the adult population already has received at least one dose of a Covid-19 vaccine. Further my employer is offering to pay all of its workers a $25 gift card to get vaccinated by the end of this month, the employer is offering to pay all of its workers an additional $25 gift card after at least 90% of the workers become fully vaccinated. They are also paying for time off to get vaccinated and to rest after receiving the vaccine doses. Do you think they are being foolish to strongly urge us to get vaccinated?
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The Covid-19 Vaccines do NOT Alter Human Genes, despite the myths to the contrary
by Disillusioned JW in["covid-19 vaccines can’t alter your dna, here’s why"]
can covid-19 vaccines alter my dna?
no, covid-19 vaccines do not alter your dna.
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fulano, your post in reply to me is very strange, to me. Obviously I don't believe in everything (which is essentially the sense you are using the word "anything", for you claim to believe that I will believe anything I read or hear), for I reject the belief that the vaccine alters human genes, for example. I also reject creationism and I am convinced of evolution.
I follow the science, not baseless rumors. I don't believe there will be any long-term adverse side effects for me in receiving the Covid-19 vaccination, just as I haven't had any long-term negative effects from any of the other vaccines I have received. If, hypothetically speaking, I do experience long-term adverse side effects from the Covid-19 vaccination then ultimately I will be the one who is responsible since I made the choice to receive it, based upon the information I studied.
Likewise if you don't receive a Covid-19 vaccine and if you later contract the Covid-19 induced disease and experience long-term adverse health problems as result, who will be responsible for such happening to you?
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Non Believers, how do you respond ?
by Phizzy ini recently had this in a message from a jw, a lovely person, but mind controlled, he wrote " a life without hope is no life for me".. how should i respond to that ?
i am an atheist, but want to respond in as kindly a way as possible.. i was thinking along the lies of saying i got no comfort from what i knew to be false hope, but need to say it in a kindly way.. ideas please ?.
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In my prior post where I said "without any detrimental effects" I wish I had said "without any detrimental effects and without feeling sleepy". Where I said "... Jehovah.Those WT teaches ..." I meant to say "... Jehovah. Those WT teachings ...". Where I said "... suggests such does not exist" I should have said "... suggests such do not exist". Where I said "... which lead me to atheism" I should have said "... which led me to atheism".
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Non Believers, how do you respond ?
by Phizzy ini recently had this in a message from a jw, a lovely person, but mind controlled, he wrote " a life without hope is no life for me".. how should i respond to that ?
i am an atheist, but want to respond in as kindly a way as possible.. i was thinking along the lies of saying i got no comfort from what i knew to be false hope, but need to say it in a kindly way.. ideas please ?.
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Correction: I should not have included "(especially ones who made huge sacrifices because of such hope)" within quote marks of my earlier post, but the idea fits the subject matter.
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Sea Breeze, you seem to be equating the meaning of the word "hope" with the meaning of the word "believe" but the words do not have the same meaning. Perhaps you are saying that which atheists (including ex-JWs) hope for is also what they believe. But I for one do not hope to die, even though I know and believe I will die. Furthermore Jesus, according to the Bible, did not teach that "after you die that you will be conscious and unable to shut your consciousness off, no matter how hard you try." According to the New Testament Bible Jesus taught that instead of staying dead for forever, people can return to life if they believe in him prior to their death. According to parts of the NT Bible Jesus also taught that if people believe in him they will never die at all. Those teachings are very different than saying everyone, including non-believers in Jesus, will continue to live forever and will experience unending consciousness after the death of their physical body. It is true there are some NT passages about Jesus, according to the Bible, saying some people will be tormented forever in an Gehenna, but there is more than one interpretation of what those passages mean and some of those meanings conflict with other passages that purport to be teachings of Jesus.
I, for one, do NOT hope to die. I hope to live for 120+ years in excellent health, and if I thought it was possible to live for much longer than that in excellent health then I would hope for that. [If my body later becomes severely damaged while still alive or if some humans torment me tremendously in future, I might then hope to die soon in order to escape such misery, but I do not currently want (or hope) to die.] I do believe that when I my body dies then so does my consciousness and my mind, and that belief is firmly based upon well known scientific facts. Those facts include what happens to people's consciousness when they are in a deep dreamless sleep, when they are under anesthesia, and when they receive brain injuries.
Regarding NDEs it should be kept in mind that those who claimed to have had such were not brain dead and thus their brain probably hallucinated (or dreamed) such experiences, and other cases people were probably lying about such experiences.
Though while I was a very young child the WT (and my parents under the influence of the WT) and the OT Bible gave me my belief that the mind ceases upon death of the brain, after I learned what scientific knowledge says about mind (probably partly during my late preteen years, and I learned more in later years), my belief became based on that scientific knowledge instead of upon the Bible. After I learned the scientific knowledge regarding what happens to the mind, what the Bible (and the WT) said abut death ending consciousness merely collaborated that scientific knowledge.
You keep implying that the WT teaches/promotes atheism, yet you ignore that the WT teaches that Satan the Devil, demons and evil demonic activity, angels, and a heavenly Christ are real, as well as Jehovah.Those WT teaches conflict greatly with atheism and scientific naturalism! Yet at least since my late preteen years (despite considering myself an unbaptized JW and despite later becoming baptized as a JW in my early teens) I had very major doubts about the existence of demons and evil demonic activity. That is because I saw no convincing existence of demons and of evil demonic activity and because scientific knowledge very strongly suggests such does not exist. It is knowledge of science (combined with my personal experiences of the universe), and not the WT, which lead me to atheism.
Regarding what scientific knowledge says about the ideas of a devil, demons, an afterlife, alien visitations to humans, witchcraft, ghosts, superstitions, prayer, magic, UFOs, etc., I invite people to read the book by Carl Sagan called The Demon-Haunted World: Science as a Candle in the Dark.
If I had been raised in a way that was neutral about religion, I would never ever had become a believer in the supernatural (except maybe briefly as a very young child) and I would never had joined a religion! Being raised as a JW (under the influence of the WT) delayed me in becoming an atheist (except for the fact that all human babies are born without any belief in any god whatsoever).
Regarding the idea of "several old men in Brooklyn were God's sole channel of communication on earth" I never fully accepted that WT teaching. That WT teaching, for as long as was aware of it, was one which was very hard for me to accept. As a JW, when participating in meetings which discussed it, I sometimes paid lip service to it (such as when answering questions in the WT literature, since such was expected of JWs), but I was never thoroughly convinced of it. Furthermore as a teenage JW and as an adult JW I resented the WT teaching that "several old men in Brooklyn were God's sole channel of communication on earth" - especially since I knew that they admitted that many of their (and/or the WT's) former teachings were false!
When I am at work I long for getting off work so that I can fully indulge my conscious mind in thinking about subjects of interest to me. When I am awake and starting to feel sleepy I try to fight off the sleepiness and to stay awake, until it becomes futile to resist the onset of sleep. I wish my body didn't require sleep because to me sleep is kind of like death in that it deprives me, though only for awhile, of conscious thought. Sea Breeze, I do NOT want my consciousness to be turned off each day - I wish I keep it on all the time (without any detrimental effects) that I am alive (but I realize I can't keep it on all the time)! See Breeze, you are VERY WRONG in saying regarding all ex-JW atheists that "The greatest hope of the ex-jw atheist is to die and experience nothing thereafter." I live to think; I live to have conscious thoughts, as well as to have various conscious experiences.